Are Sagging Pants Cool?

Okay folks, I am really really tired. Been racking my brain for a "suitable topic" and didn't want to go near the upcoming election, which, by the way, is all anyone seems to be talking about. Thought about doing a linguistical page on the verb "to pull" but that will have to wait. Too much research, not enough time. Considered posting an official Thanksgiving page- one word- b-o-r-i-n-g............. So, I decided to tackle something that has plagued my curiosity for many years, but for which I do not have a clear cut answer. Why the howdy heck do dudes wear their shorts/pants so big and so low?????????? It ain't Halloween anymore!

My first close up and personal example of this was several years ago, when I noticed the pubescent neighbor boy starting to wear his school shorts ever lower, seemingly more so each day. To add to the mystique, he began sporting brown courderouy slippers for footwear and a buzz cut. It was nicely accessorized by his ipod. I couldn't bring myself to ask him, but one day, I had to mention it to his mom. She shrugged and said that she and her husband had fought the good fight for over a year to no avail. They finally agreed to let him "win" this one, and show the world his boxers, if that's what floated his boat.

We carpooled to school, and I never missed a chance to mention to my boys that I would never allow them to wear their shorts in such a disgusting manner. At first I thought the neighbor boy just had a really long back and short legs! My boys promised they would never do it.

Needless to say, only one kept their promise. In his Junior year, I noticed that the shirts kept on getting bigger and the sorts baggier and baggier on the other one. Since he is a small framed guy, the shorts would drop dangerously low. One unexpected belch and they could end up around his ankles.

This irked me to no end. Why- I asked him. Was it for comfort? I imagined the sensation of a waist band digging into the center of my rump, and likened the sensation to somthing akin to having a knat fly into my eye. Not really painful, but just really really annoying. How could anyone want to feel this way? I flat out asked him why he was doing this. He of course denied that he was doing anything a 'tall odd. He was merely following the fashion trend. I didn't really have a good argument for that one, but I never missed a chance to sneak up behind him and pull his shirt up just to see how low the shorts really were! This only served to infuriate him. Sometimes, the waist band would actually be below the butt entirely. The pockets would be flat as a sheet of paper resting against slender thighs, not at all how the garment was intended to be worn. I tried everything to get him to stop, but it didn't work. The cool dudes did this, and he was one cool dude.

In desperation, I took digital photos and showed him how he looked from the back side. Didn't work. I pointed out every Joe Dick and Harry on the road dressed this way and mocked them. Didn't work.I paid my 12 year old daughter's friends to heckle him. Useless. I begged and pleaded. with him not to do this, but it all fell on deaf ears. So he wears his shorts low and I make snide comments.

I decided to do a brief bit of research and was really lucky to find this on Snopes. Fascinating stuff. I hope I can get him to read it, so he can at least be educated about the origin of his fashion statement.

http://www.snopes.com/risque/homosex/sagging.asp. I believe it is well worth sharing on the Muse. Enjoy.

We were talking about how the kids are wearing the pants way down on their body with the crotch at their knees. One guy said he was told that this started in prison with the gay prisoner doing that to show that they are ready for a sexual relationship with whoever is interested.


[Collected on the Internet, 2003]

A friend told me recently that the "gang" style of baggy pants showing your underwear (called "jailin") was originally a prison code signifying that the man wearing them was willing to be, er, the "girlfriend" of some other man/men.

Origins: Sagging, the fashion of wearing pants with their waistbands around the hips (or lower) rather than snugged to the Kriss Kross midriff, has been and continues to be a controversial style of dress. Although this sartorial fad is overwhelmingly favored by young males, it is not limited to them — young women have at times likewise indulged in the urge to sag.

The practice, which did begin in prisons, worked its way from the hoosegow into hip hop culture. It was adopted by a variety of rap artists, such as Ice-T and Too Short, which enhanced its perceived tough-guy cachet. Sagging can even be taken a step further by wearing the droopy breeches backwards. (Totally Krossed Out, the 1992 debut album of Kriss Kross, shows the pair of 13-year-old rappers doing this.) By 1995 the style had seeped into mainstream teen culture — one no longer needed to be a wannabe "gangsta" to sling 'em low.

Pants worn this way are kept up by constant hitching, an act that becomes an integral part of the walking style of the wearer.

While sagging did gain its start in the U.S. prison system, it was not a clothes-wearing style authored by imprisoned homosexuals intent upon advertising their interest in casual flings. Sagging pants became the behind-the-bars thing thanks to ill-fitting prison-issue garb: some of those incarcerated were provided with clothing a few sizes too large. That oversizing, coupled with the lack of belts in the big house, led to a great number of jailbirds whose pants were falling off their arses. (Belts are not permitted in most correctional facilities because all too often the lifeless bodies of their inmate owners have been found hanging from them.)

Sagging has another rumored origin (also false), one less well-traveled than the "gay inmates advertising for sex" postulation:
[Collected on the Internet, 2003]

What's the origin of Gang-banger pants? You know, worn really low and baggy? Before they became a fashion statement, and/or MADE that way by assorted clothing companies, I heard it originated in a prison: An inmate was on suicide watch and couldn't have his belt, which the other inmates were either outraged by or thought was ridiculous given the inmate in question. So they started wearing theirs really low in protest/solidarity. Anyway, that's what I heard.
Another discredited theory says ghetto hoodlums adopted the fashion of wearing their pants in the sagging style to better conceal weapons from rival gang members and police. While it is true a gun or knife can be effectively stashed out of sight in droopy pants, it can also be hidden in more form-fitting bottoms, especially when the pants-wearer tops his cache with an untucked sports jersey, pullover, or sweatshirt.

The most intriguing aspect of the "trolling for gay sex" rumor lies not in its veracity, but in its acceptance as gospel by those who encounter it and who are then moved to pass it along to others. While the combination of two facts (homosexuality in prison and falling-down pants worn by inmates) accounts for the origin of the belief that links the one to the other, its spread is attributable to the prevailing dislike of the fashion. Those who choose to wear their pants this way cite comfort as their motive and so find justification for this imitation of rap stars and felons, two groups perceived as toughly self-sufficient and therefore worthy of emulation; those who do not follow this fashion see only the crotches of jeans hanging at or above the knee, hobbling their wearers in a goofy manner. (One can walk in sagging pants. But one can't run in them.)

The rumor becomes a way of passing along one group's disdain for another's sartorial practice. Communicating that the saggers are unwittingly offering their backsides to all takers when they think they are mimicking admired rappers and identifying with tough guys no sensible person would mess with becomes a way of saying "The joke is really on them." This same sense of surreptitious delight over being in on a prank someone looked down upon is unknowingly playing on himself fuels another urban legend that involves medallions flaunted by society matrons or Chinese character-emblazoned sweaters proudly worn by their knitters and even some of the "misunderstood souvenir" tales told about globe-trotting tourists.

While sagging is embraced by a number of young people, it is far removed from being the subject of widespread approval outside that demographic. Various communities have attempted to ban this form of fashion statement. In February 2005, for example, the Virginia House of Delegates passed the so-called droopy drawers bill, legislation that would have imposed a $50 fine on people who wore their pants so that their underwear was visible in a "lewd or indecent manner." That bill was killed by a senate committee two days later. In May 2004, Louisiana lawmakers attempted to say no to plumber's crack by passing House Bill 1626, legislation that would have made it a crime to wear clothing in public that "intentionally exposes undergarments or intentionally exposes any portion of the pubic hair, cleft of the buttocks or genitals." That bill was also rejected by the state's senate.

Barbara "bum steered" Mikkelson

Last updated: 15 October 2005

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